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taybrynn
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 Posted: Friday March 21st, 2008 04:51 pm
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Amazon is what I've been using recently.   They have implemented it pretty well.

THere are even 3 christmas songs which are totally free downloads ... and fairly decent songs to boot.

If you download (and install) their tiny tray downloader application, you can tell it to store stuff wherever you want on your computer ... then after that, its very simple ... and it creates a folder for each artist and album you download ... just like itunes does. 

So after the initial setup, you just buy the song or album and it gets added to computer auto-magically.  And no DRM !!!



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 Posted: Friday March 21st, 2008 05:15 pm
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rstehle wrote: 

 
Works great now!  Just sample the song and then export it as an MP3.  Save the file wherever you want.  I use Vixen so I save it there.


It must be me (operator error), because when I try to use Audacity to open a MP4 file, all I get is about 0.13 seconds of noise. 




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Just bear in mind, most sound cards will reduce the quality quite a bit using that technique.  Especially if your using onboard (motherboard) sound.  It does work, but its more lossy than using the itunes conversion tool.



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It must be me (operator error), because when I try to use Audacity to open a MP4 file, all I get is about 0.13 seconds of noise.

These are the only files you can edit MP3, WAV or AIFF sound files. It will not edit MP4 files. If you are using any of these you can also try IMPORT AUDIO FILE instead of OPEN.

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 Posted: Saturday March 22nd, 2008 01:27 pm
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Another 99 cent per song sight is Rhapsody, with a basci membership which is free, you can listen to 25 songs a month, so you can hear the whole song before downloading it.



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 Posted: Saturday March 22nd, 2008 03:24 pm
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JKlein wrote:
These are the only files you can edit MP3, WAV or AIFF sound files. It will not edit MP4 files. If you are using any of these you can also try IMPORT AUDIO FILE instead of OPEN.


Thanks for the hint. 

But, when I import the audio file, I get a pop-up panel that has "song name.m4p is an encrypted audio file typically from an online music store.  Audacity cannot open this type of file due to the encryption.   You need to convert it to a supported, unencrypted audio format." 

This is what I use Tunebite for.  To convert my Itunes to either a wav or MP3.



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 Posted: Saturday March 22nd, 2008 09:56 pm
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ryanshow wrote: limewire...youtube.....NO NO NO= JUST KIDDDING! lol


the store :D

What's wrong with limewire, that's what I use.  I paid something like $25 for 1 year.



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 Posted: Sunday March 23rd, 2008 01:29 am
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What's wrong with limewire, that's what I use. I paid something like $25 for 1 year.
All you paid for is the software. Limewire is a P2P network. You are connecting to other peoples computers. ITunes, Amazon, etc. host and have paid for the music. Limewire P2P sharing is what the RIAA is against.

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Limewire P2P sharing is what the RIAA is against
Who cares ???? Wheres the difference between ripping the music off radio stations verses LIMEWARE ? Are you using the music to make money ? Is there any profit in it for you directly ( monetary profit that is ) ?
Why not pay the artist for simply USING his/her music for your display ? Same thing , isn't it ?
I don't see/hear you complaining whilst using a PC that is using an OS that Billy Gates originally STOLE ! ! ! Or your local FM radio station paying royalties for the music they play even though they ARE making a profit . ( hint hint - thats what all those lousey paying commercials are for - so YOU can get to hear that music .
If LIMEWIRE was sooooo illegal , me thinks the government would have made it come to a STOP a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago . Problem is ... there is a FINE line drawn there .
If a person chooses NOT to use a P2P network , then , of course , thats their own prerogative .
And if they DO choose to utilize a P2P .... more power to 'em .

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TERBObob wrote: Limewire P2P sharing is what the RIAA is against
Who cares ???? Wheres the difference between ripping the music off radio stations verses LIMEWARE ? Are you using the music to make money ? Is there any profit in it for you directly ( monetary profit that is ) ?
Why not pay the artist for simply USING his/her music for your display ? Same thing , isn't it ?
I don't see/hear you complaining whilst using a PC that is using an OS that Billy Gates originally STOLE ! ! ! Or your local FM radio station paying royalties for the music they play even though they ARE making a profit . ( hint hint - thats what all those lousey paying commercials are for - so YOU can get to hear that music .
If LIMEWIRE was sooooo illegal , me thinks the government would have made it come to a STOP a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago . Problem is ... there is a FINE line drawn there .
If a person chooses NOT to use a P2P network , then , of course , thats their own prerogative .
And if they DO choose to utilize a P2P .... more power to 'em .

1) ripping the music off the radio, while still illegal, results in low quality files that require a lot of manual labor spilting, tagging, etc. It's very easy to download thousands of near CD quality mp3s. Good luck trying to do that with recording from the radio.

2) Regardless of what you think, it is illegal. There are a very legitimate uses for P2P like torrents of Linux distros, but downloading music without any intention of buying the CD is wrong. Using those files for your light show is even worse as you actually are broadcasting the music.

3) Gates payed for QDOS and it was a legal clone. Clones happen all the time in industry.

4) what's wrong with a radio station paying royalties?

5) and lastly, if you're still using limewire, you're asking to get a lawsuit. The RIAA targets especially those P2P networks that the newbies use.



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 Posted: Sunday March 23rd, 2008 12:12 pm
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The RIAA just went after a gaggle of college students in MS that had a similiar attitude as expressed above.

While you think you may never get caught, if you do get caught, the $1 a song is nothing compared to the fines and legal fees they will attempt to extract from you.

Think of paying $1 a song as the RIAA "keep out of jail" insurance policy.

You have house, car, health, and life insurance don't you?



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keepCHRISTinchristmas wrote: The thing is I can get it to convert but either Audacity, Wondows media player, or LOR will not recognize it.

For instance: I purchased a song from i tunes, burnt it onto a cd, ripped it onto my pc in .WAV using Windows media player and LOR recognized it.  Then afer I finished sequencing it I decided to shorten it only to realize that it was unable to play in Audacity. 

Convert it to mp3 when going to audacity, I know it won't accept certain formats going in, then once you have done your editing you can export it as wav. or mp3 back to your music files.

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 Posted: Sunday March 23rd, 2008 03:41 pm
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TerboBob, slow down. All I was explaining to Hiram is that Limewire is P2P and what he paid $25.00 for. I never said he shouldn't use it, that's his choice. I really don't understand your argument.

Why not pay the artist for simply USING his/her music for your display ? This is what we are doing when we download from ITunes, Amazon, etc. With Limewire you are not paying the artist.

Or your local FM radio station paying royalties for the music they play even though they ARE making a profit .What's your point here?

If LIMEWIRE was sooooo illegal , me thinks the government would have made it come to a STOP a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG time ago . It's time will come.

Why do you think a DJ has to belong to ASCAP and BMG? Why don't DJ's just download the music off of LImewire and use it. Because they and the club they are playing at can get sued or shut down. Just like on this site. Why do you think Chuck doesn't allow posts where people are willing to share and email songs? Because it is illegal and he can be shut down.

Problem is ... there is a FINE line drawn there . What's the fine line drawn here? I'm suprised more people haven't used your arguments when they have been sued by the RIAA.

An example for you. Say you are a musician and have sold 1 CD, how much money have you made? Let's say you go on Limewire and you see your CD being shared and downloaded. Let's say 100 people have downloaded off of Limewire. Now how much money have you made?

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 Posted: Sunday March 23rd, 2008 04:05 pm
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This debate has been going on for a long time.   Maybe this is more of a question of ethics.  Obvioiusly, we are all grown ups and can make our own choices and should not be attacked for having different opinions or choices.

I think we should realize that when obtaining music for our christmas shows, that we really should attempt to acquire the music through legal means.  I know that when RichardH made his 2007 sequences available to us PC folks, he wisely mentioned that we should legally acquire all the the songs on our own.  This was very good advice, I felt.  It kind of set the bar for me, as a newbie. 

I've used limewire in the past but don't use it anymore.  The viruses I occasionally got using those programs was far more expensive than the money I saved.  I think the cost of $.89 or $.99 per song makes it pretty affordable to most ... and avoids the biggest rip off in the industry -- i.e. having to buy an entire album to get the one good song on it. 

It may not always be clear that using a peer to peer sharing program like limewire ... is technically legal or not .. but it can certainly be used illegally and often is.  Whether the person sharing, person receiving or both are breaking some law ... could be debated for a very long time.

Since we are doing Christmas shows, primarily ... I think we should do everything we can to do ... do do it legally ... so for example, a 10 song show should only cost $10 to acquire the songs legally.  Seems reasonable to me.

Last edited on Sunday March 23rd, 2008 04:44 pm by taybrynn



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SORRY! I got such an arguement started. I did not realize that I was only paying for software and not the actuall music. I appreciate the heads up and will go through Amazon from now on. I'm not looking fo a law suit just for a few songs. Thanks, folks



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Brian Mitchell wrote: Try Here.

http://www.ilovewavs.com/Holidays/Xmas/tf/tf.htm

  Be aware that these are illegally pirated copies.  It's just like getting illegal copies using file sharing programs.  (I'm really surprized that this site hasn't been shut down.)

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TED wrote: Brian Mitchell wrote: Try Here.

http://www.ilovewavs.com/Holidays/Xmas/tf/tf.htm

  Be aware that these are illegally pirated copies.  It's just like getting illegal copies using file sharing programs.  (I'm really surprized that this site hasn't been shut down.)

                                                              TED
Granted, but I love wavs is a great way to listen to an entire song (rather than 30 seconds) so you can see if you like it or not.



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keepCHRISTinchristmas wrote: The thing is I can get it to convert but either Audacity, Wondows media player, or LOR will not recognize it.

For instance: I purchased a song from i tunes, burnt it onto a cd, ripped it onto my pc in .WAV using Windows media player and LOR recognized it.  Then afer I finished sequencing it I decided to shorten it only to realize that it was unable to play in Audacity. 

Windows Media Player defaults to .WMA files when ripping music and Audacity cannot recognize .WMA. (Its a licencing thing). In media player go to "tools" > "options" >"copy music" >"copy settings" ."format" and change it to MP3 and then re-rip your songs. Note: depending on your OS and player version the buttons may be labeled slightly different than mine.



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thanks beaker!



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With sites like Limewire and other p2p networks, I don't see them getting shut down unless they get shut down by lack of use. Will the RIAA shut it down? I doubt it, when they can continue to go after the users and win those lawsuits. Yes the RIAA wants this to stop, but where do you think the money is. Shutting down the site or going after the user?

Just because you haven't gotten caught sharing files like that, makes it right or legal. Is it right or legal to take a pack of gum in a store when the clerk isn't looking?

 



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