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Tony Furst



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 Posted: Saturday February 16th, 2008 12:22 am
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Greetings everyone,

In doing my review of the 2008 NEC I found a significant change to the requirements for outdoor receptacles.  The NEC now requires "Weather Resistant" receptacles in addition to GFCI's and protected in use covers for all outdoor receptacles. 

There are also changes regarding all receptacles in dwelling units and the use of "Tamper Proof" devices.

Please review the document from Bryant at the following link for more information.

http://www.bryant-electric.com/pdfs/bss113.pdf

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 Posted: Saturday February 16th, 2008 12:54 am
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That's news, I had not heard of this change
I guess I better finish up the work I have started since I already have the outlets
But I'll probably swap some out once these are around
I'm curious as to how well they work too



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 Posted: Saturday February 16th, 2008 01:38 am
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How are the 'weather resistant' receptacles any diffrent than standard ones. They look the same to me...



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 Posted: Saturday February 16th, 2008 01:48 am
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These new rules only apply to NEW work, right? Not existing stuff?

 



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 Posted: Saturday February 16th, 2008 02:28 am
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Right, you do not have to replace existing work
I'm not sure if they ever require you to replace exisiting work?
I know they now require you to put a CO detector on every floor
Law went onto effect mayeb 2 years ago? March 31st 2006
So now I need to buy (3) hard wired CO detectors
Plus 3 more for MIL's house - she also needs smokes. So looks like I may be doing some wiring work down at her house
Basement - easy & 2nd floor will be easy - I hope
1st floor hoping to run from basement up thru closet & then use an old work box near the closet & snake wire

I wonder if this is why GFCI's have been dropping in price?
I know they are expanding the use of AFCI's
I think I'll wait a while before I pick up the 2008 code book

Homeowners had until January 1st, 2007 if instllaing hard wired units
I'm going with hard wired, combo CO/Smoke detector. That way all will sound in case of a fire.  We recently had our exhaust pipe fall off of our Oil heating boiler. If we had a CO alarm down there we would have know sooner. Luckily my wife went down cellar & came back up complaining of the smell
I redid the pipe & sealed it up

According to the Cleveland newspaper, it's only Ohio and Massachusetts on the '08 so far.

Great.......

The 2005 code already required arc fault breakers for circuits in bedroom areas but the new code expands it to most other areas of a home.




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Around here, the big box stores usually carry conventional breakers in mass quantities for about 6 lines of panels, but they typically only carry limited quantities of AFCI's for maybe two of those..  I don't think I have seen one for my Cuttler-Hammer panel yet...

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 Posted: Saturday February 16th, 2008 11:07 am
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Tom,

The weather resistant receptacles are made of corrosion resistant materials as well as a slightly different case design.  We've had several of the reps in our office discussing them.

Not sure whe the big box stores will have them on hand but I'm sure they won't be cheap just because they are new.

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 Posted: Saturday February 16th, 2008 11:15 am
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David Balch wrote: Right, you do not have to replace existing work
I'm not sure if they ever require you to replace exisiting work?
Oly if there is a signicant amount of remodeling or rework of existing. 
I know they now require you to put a CO detector on every floor
Law went onto effect mayeb 2 years ago? March 31st 2006
So now I need to buy (3) hard wired CO detectors
Plus 3 more for MIL's house - she also needs smokes. So looks like I may be doing some wiring work down at her house
Basement - easy & 2nd floor will be easy - I hope
1st floor hoping to run from basement up thru closet & then use an old work box near the closet & snake wire

I wonder if this is why GFCI's have been dropping in price?
I know they are expanding the use of AFCI's
I think I'll wait a while before I pick up the 2008 code book
Probably ot a bad idea since it may get revised before final acceptance.

Homeowners had until January 1st, 2007 if instllaing hard wired units
I'm going with hard wired, combo CO/Smoke detector. That way all will sound in case of a fire.  We recently had our exhaust pipe fall off of our Oil heating boiler. If we had a CO alarm down there we would have know sooner. Luckily my wife went down cellar & came back up complaining of the smell
I redid the pipe & sealed it up

According to the Cleveland newspaper, it's only Ohio and Massachusetts on the '08 so far.There is a move in Ohio to ask the Governor to place a moratorium on certai sectios of the 08 NEC because of problems with AFCI's as well as the new weather or tamper resistant receptacles

Great.......

The 2005 code already required arc fault breakers for circuits in bedroom areas but the new code expands it to most other areas of a home. Yep and now they are talking about chaging it due to problems with ceiling fans.  The killer new requirement is the TR rated receptacles everywhere.


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 Posted: Sunday February 17th, 2008 01:18 am
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ChuckHutchings wrote: These new rules only apply to NEW work, right? Not existing stuff?

  Yeah.  The old stuff is always grandfathered in as long as you don't change it.

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 Posted: Sunday February 17th, 2008 01:19 am
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Tony Furst wrote: The weather resistant receptacles are made of corrosion resistant materials

  You would think that they would have made them from corrosion resistant materials all along!

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